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Against 420 Arguments

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The following arguments against proposition 420 have been constantly used by DDC/DE advocates to try to convince voters to vote NO on 420. Some contain a sliver of truth, but then abandon and distort the truth to suit their purpose. Common arguments, and the truth, are presented below.

  1. The City Council should make decisions on the Preserve, this would hinder them. – This is perhaps the most ridiculous argument of all. The council has proved they will not represent citizens but rather make decisions based on what 4 of them want, not what the majority of Scottsdale Citizens want. Proposition 420 was created specifically because the council majority ignored what citizens want, and worse denied them a voice or vote in the process of approving a development in the Preserve.
  2. Proposition 420 was created in opposition to the Desert Discovery Center (DDC), now the Desert Edge (DE). If passed, it will hinder the development of the DDC, which they want DDC. – Partially true, when citizens found out a special interest group wanted to build this commercial venue in the Preserve, they were alarmed and angered, which eventually led to them becoming involved in either killing it, or as a minimum giving citizens control over it by requiring a public vote to build it in the Preserve.
  3. Requiring a public vote would hinder education and access and more “improvements”. First of all “access” is not limited or changed by proposition 420. Currently ANYONE can go into the Preserve, which even has 3 ADA accessible trails, in addition to hiking, biking, and equestrian (multiuse) trails and rock climbing areas to accommodate as many different users as possible. And it is all FREE to everyone. Second, education is already provided by the city’s non-profit partner, the McDowell Sonoran Conservancy (MSC). The MSC provides educational hikes, lectures, online education, and educational guides, all at NO COST to the city and all without ANY BUILDINGS. Would it hinder “more improvements”. It will not hinder additional trails, but would hinder other development in the Preserve but only by requiring the public approve any proposed project. I guess that could be termed “hindering” such “improvements” but requiring public approval doesn’t prevent them, it simply requires public approval to make sure it is appropriate for the Preserve. That is what proposition 420 is all about, giving the public control over any “improvements” 4 members of the city council may want in the Presereve.
  4. It would not allow emergency actions to be quickly approved. Nothing in Proposition 420 impacts current management of the Preserve, including “emergencies”. Anticipated emergencies, like fire, have already been considered and the reaction formalized in the Preserve Fire Management Plan. Proposition 420 has NO impact on this or any other emergency plans or actions. This argument has NO basis in fact.
  5. Proposition 420 was created by NYMBYS who want to limit access to the Preserve and keep it for themselves. See the argument about limiting access. Nothing in Proposition 420 changes current access of the Preserve. Proposition 420 WAS NOT created by residents near the Preserve, but rather by residents who have been involved with the Preserve since its inception, most of whom do not live near the Preserve.
  6. Proposition 420 puts decisions in the hands of an unelected body. Another ridiculous argument. There is only ONE mention of any public body and that is that NEW trails must be approved by the McDowell Sonoran Preserve Commission (MSPC) who is currently tasked with creating the management and trails plans for the Preserve so this is not a new requirement but rather just requires what is already in the Preserve Ordinance, which also established the MSPC to be the citizen body that oversees all Preserve related actions. Since the ordinance can be changed by just 4 council members, this addition to the charter would keep the MSPC involved in deciding where new trails should go and are appropriate. Members to the MSPC are not elected, but rather are assigned by the city council, so in reality the council still does have some control over the process by who they assign to the MSPC.
  7. It changes the management of the Preserve. The Charter change in Proposition 420 does nothing to the existing management of the Preserve, except it would require MSPC approval of NEW trails, which they are already responsible for by the Preserve Ordinance. However it would prevent staff, and the city council, from building anything they want in the Preserve without a public vote, which is the purpose of the charter change. So in that respect it technically changes the management of the Preserve by giving citizens some control.
  8. The Preserve already protected, it is unnecessary no further prohibition is necessary. We wish this were true, but sadly it is not. I helped draft the Preserve Ordinance and existing Charter language, and at the time we thought they would protect the Preserve. But this city council, and the Desert Discovery Center Scottsdale Inc. organization proved to us that the Preserve is not protected against developments like the DDC or DE and therefore needs further protection. That is exactly what proposition 420 does.
  9. Confusing language leads to legal battles and unintended consequences. The Charter language in proposition 420 is actually less suspectable to “legal battles” than the current language, which is already the subject of a legal battle because of the way the city attorney interpreted it. The language in the proposition 420 Charter change is actually stronger and less ambiguous and was also passed through one of the Valley’s best legal firms for these kinds of actions. So it is less confusing and less susceptible to legal challenge than the current language. The only “unintended consequence” is to the DDC/DE advocates who would now have to convince the public that their project belongs in the Preserve.
  10. No more land to buy, the excess $100M of Preserve funds should be used for MORE improvements. This is a blatant lie. There are approximately 4,000 more acres in the voter approved Preserve boundary left to buy. The remaining $100M is not likely enough to buy all of it but it is certainly enough to buy some. Preserve funds have already been used to construct the existing trails and trail heads to allow public access as originally planned. Unanticipated and unplanned “improvements” should require public approval.
  11. Petition gatherers lied about the DDC. This is obviously the opinion of a DDC/DE advocate, which can neither be proved or denied without proof, however all of the volunteers were instructed on what to say and how to approach potential signers and the only thing said was that there were plans to build a DDC or DE in the Preserve at the Gateway. The cost was taken from the latest Desert Edge Plan, so that is treated as a fact. So we are not sure what “lies” this refers to, but the overall reaction to the signature gathering effort has been extremely positive, as evidenced by the number of volunteers (over 280) and the number of citizens who signed the petition (over 37,000).
  12. It was funded by dark money. Another blatant attempt to shift the focus from what Proposition 420 does for the voters of Scottsdale to another popular topic among voters. Most of the funding of the signature gathering effort came from average citizens, just like you. Some funding was received from donors who wanted to remain anonymous, but most of those funds were used to fund our legal challenge against the city, which essentially stalled action on the DDC/DE until we could gather signatures to put this charter change on the ballot. But even those donors are Scottsdale citizens too. The legal challenges were not done by the Political Action Committee (PAC), that we had to form to gather signatures, but rather was done by the Protect Our Preserve (POP) organization. POP had collected a lot of money before the petition effort even started so the decision was made to spend some of that money on this ballot initiative because it better accomplishes POP’s mission of protecting the Preserve. There is absolutely nothing illegal about the way either action was done and virtually all the money raised came from Scottsdale citizens, not from mysterious outside sources trying to control an election.
  13. Charter changes are serious, it is dangerous to change the Charter. Another ridiculous argument that totally ignores the history of the Charter, and more specifically as it relates to the Preserve. In 1998, the Charter was changed in an attempt to protect the Preserve by prohibiting the council from disposing of Preserve lands without a public vote. That change was embraced by the voters who approved it 80% to 20%. Proposition 420 is just an extension of that section of the existing charter to further protect the Preserve against inappropriate development by requiring that same public vote to build anything in the Preserve. All the planned trails and trail heads have already been built and would not be impacted by this requirement. Proposition 420 changes NOTHING else, just adds further protection for the Preserve and Preserve funds. Most Charter changes impact the entire city or its operations, this one only impacts development in the Preserve, which shouldn’t have any development in it anyway. So this change is far less dangerous than many other changes to the city Charter, that has been changed 13 times covering 75 requested changes of which 70 passed, during its history.
  14. Handicapped relatives need the DDC. See the answer about access which is not only free to everyone, but accommodates the handicapped already. For those few people who can’t be outside in the Preserve, there is no reason why a facility for them can’t be built outside the Preserve, since they aren’t going into the Preserve anyway.